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I firmly believe that securing the acquittal of a wrongly accused person or overturning the verdict of a wrongly convicted on in no way can be considered justice having been served in many cases. Where misconduct has occurred, someone walking free does not eradicate the pain and suffering inflicted upon them and their families as a result, for them the damage will last a lifetime while if the perpetrators of such misconduct are not held to account remain capable of inflicting the same torment on others in future. With regard to wrongly accused people, this misconduct will be seen only as grounds for appeal should they be acquitted but not grounds for action to be taken against those responsible. Since anyone who has behaved in anyway other than proper are unlikely to be reprimanded as a result, there is nothing to dissuade them from doing so again in future. Do you know of any other area in society where those who do not follow specific rules and guidelines are not disciplined for their actions?
I have therefore decided to post not only another opinion poll, but use the same thread to post details of where you can send formal complaints against anyone you know has not acted in accordance with the responsibilities their positions determine they should. Taking action against such a person is the only way to ensure that they at least are held to account and possibly will result in measures being taken against them which would prevent someone else from suffering in future.
As with the case of child interviews being video recorded, if nothing untoward goes on within the justice system, why would anyone fear disciplinary action regardless of how successful or otherwise their attempts to influence justice were?
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22/05/2009 17:07:49 |
To start you off in terms of providing links as to where to direct your complaints. If those complaints are related to anyone within the Crown Office & Procurator Fiscal Services you can find a "Customer Feedback" form at the following address.
http://www.copfs.gov.uk/Publications/2005/07/havesay
This form is printable but I suspect you will need to use a separate sheet to provide a full account of the nature of your complaint. I would also recommend that you seek legal advice before doing so but legal aid funding may be difficult to obtain if your trial resulted in acquittal.
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jane2452
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22/05/2009 17:38:32 |
well what would be the point of a code of conduct otherwise?
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Live and let live
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stingray
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16/04/2009 11:29:24
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22/05/2009 20:34:41 |
Very good topic Billy, many of the cases featured in Sandra's book indicate that a good few of the investigating team should have been chastised severely for the actions/errors that they made but I believe that very few are. Keep it up, the site has new content by the hour, do you ever manage to get out or manage any sleep?
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From little acorns doth mighty Oaks grow.
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bigsis
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29/04/2009 21:18:57
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22/05/2009 21:13:11 |
Excellent topic and one that i'm sure many will vote on. This is a topic that hits home for me, I am in the prosess of dealing with the way a minor was treated, who incidentally was a witness not an accused person.
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All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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admin
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Very good point Jane,
It seems Sandra Leans book has sunk to new depths Stingray, the investigations within it will be looking like a damp cloth now I suspect.
Once again thanks for keeping your post respectful Bigsis.
Sorry for such a brief reply, busy, busy must dash.
While I'm here, this is the link for the IPCC (Independent Police Complaints Commission) for complaints relating to police behaviour in England and Wales, please note that this is not where you should send procedural complaints. Complaints about police behaviour would for example include witnesses who feel they have been pressured or intimidated when providing a statement or matters of excessive force etc.
http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/index/complaints.htm
The PCCS is effectively the Scottish equivalent, details of complaints procedures can be found through the following link.
http://www.pcc-scotland.org/making-a-complaint.aspx
edited by admin on 22/05/2009
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Judge Dread
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22/05/2009 22:40:22 |
Good evening Billy. Another excellent topic and one which I will be voting on. I feel that anyone who feels they have a justifiable reason for complaint should not be afraid to do so, after all if no-one complains how will the authorities know that the system is abused.Excellent work so far, keep it up.
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The one who removes a mountain begins by carrying away small stones!
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black
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23/05/2009 07:17:58 |
A definate yes from me. I wonder how many people actually do not realise that misconduct exists, many people beleive that the police and those above them would obey every rule and not tip toe over the line.
And as stingray highlighted there are many cases highlighted in sandra leans book that suggest many people within these organisations should have been investigated themselves through a complaints procedure but i wonder how many of them did.
Excellent topic Billy i only hope more people stand up and complain when they have been treated wrongly.
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All good things come to those that wait!
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Billys Ma N Pa
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10/05/2009 17:51:54
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23/05/2009 22:12:08 |
With so many officials acting outside of protocol as highlighted in Sandra Leans book one should never be afraid to complain. The system is flawed in so many ways as we very well know. We have no hesitation in casting our vote and urge anyone with a genuine reason for grievance to complain. Lets all pull together and help to put the system back on the right track.
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Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Martin Luther King Jr.
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SandraLean
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24/05/2009 09:16:46 |
Complain, complain, complain and keep complaining. Write to everyone you can think of, from official bodies to MPs and councillors and the press. Our police officers have a terrifying freedom - I am not exaggerating here, and the damage they can do with that freedom is almost limitless.
I've worked on so many cases where officers have manipulated, covered up, pressured, lied, broken or ignored rules... the list is very long indeed, and I have very rarely seen any action taken against them - in fact, as is often the case, the entire establishment closes ranks to protect them.
Kevin McLeod's family are a fantastic example of what can be done - after Kevin died in Wick harbour, the police decided he had "fallen." Kevin's family have never accepted this, believing that Kevin died as a result of a vicious attack. They have highlighted all of the anomalies in the case over and over again, forcing Northern Constabulary into an untenable position, with a relentless and amazing campaign of letters, complaints, requests for information. They are truly an inspiration, although sadly, 12 years later, they still do not have the truth.
This is a hugely important area, and I'm with Billy's Ma n Pa - let's all pull together. If you have complaints, you can use this site to get together with others who have complaints, and quote other people's circumstances as back up - that way they can never claim that anything is "just a one off" or an "unfortunate mistake" which is the most anyone ever seems to get, if they get anything at all. The more people who complain, and the more similar the nature of their complaints, the more chance we have of getting something done about this dreadful situation.
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